Comments on: Sex and The City: Does It Work as a Midlife Tale? http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/ Making The Most of MidLife--Together Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:56:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: byjane http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-123 byjane Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:47:10 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-123 MA'd Goddess: good point, that the women of SATC-TM are taking control of their lives. good point, as well, that reality is what we have in real life; fairy tales do have a purpose. MA’d Goddess: good point, that the women of SATC-TM are taking control of their lives. good point, as well, that reality is what we have in real life; fairy tales do have a purpose.

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By: MA'd Goddess http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-121 MA'd Goddess Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:46:18 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-121 Mid life is not not about a reaching a certain age, it's about reaching a stage of certainty, about taking control of your life and living on your terms. I guess the women of SATC - TM are doing that. True, some of the reality is missing, but the movie industry is about entertainment after all. If it weren't, would we don our feather boas, little black dresses and ridiculous shoes; shell out $10 to sit in a dark theater with our gal pals;laugh, cry, hold hands and (here's the important part) strut back into the real world a sense of hope? Fairy tales give us a few things. A model for which to aim, a moral to keep us somewhat grounded and hope. I am 50 years old, married to my second prince charming who has become (suddenly) seriously ill and disabled. Happily ever-after has gone, overnight, from a comfortable retirement to being lucky enough to find a job with full medical benefits. But I do remain hopeful. Mid life is not not about a reaching a certain age, it’s about reaching a stage of certainty, about taking control of your life and living on your terms. I guess the women of SATC – TM are doing that.

True, some of the reality is missing, but the movie industry is about entertainment after all. If it weren’t, would we don our feather boas, little black dresses and ridiculous shoes; shell out $10 to sit in a dark theater with our gal pals;laugh, cry, hold hands and (here’s the important part) strut back into the real world a sense of hope?

Fairy tales give us a few things. A model for which to aim, a moral to keep us somewhat grounded and hope.

I am 50 years old, married to my second prince charming who has become (suddenly) seriously ill and disabled. Happily ever-after has gone, overnight, from a comfortable retirement to being lucky enough to find a job with full medical benefits. But I do remain hopeful.

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By: msmeta http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-108 msmeta Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:51:58 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-108 "I wouldn’t give this or any other movie, more power than it deserves.!" Oh, aMEN, sister! The kind of lifestyle they're peddling doesn't bear much of a resemblance to most people I know. It's just for fun. And just don't get me started on "Desperate Housewives." I'm not THAT desperate! msmeta “I wouldn’t give this or any other movie, more power than it deserves.!”

Oh, aMEN, sister! The kind of lifestyle they’re peddling doesn’t bear much of a resemblance to most people I know. It’s just for fun.

And just don’t get me started on “Desperate Housewives.” I’m not THAT desperate!

msmeta

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By: Candelaria http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Candelaria Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:12:35 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-107 As a black woman reared on Disney tales, fairy tales and folk tales, I learned early that my particular beauty didn't fit that standard. As much as I enjoyed Cinderella, I also really identified with Jo of Little Women and Anne Shirley in Anne of the Green Gables. I strongly identified with John-boy of The Waltons. I enjoyed Sex and the City the series and enjoyed the movie because it gave me a little more of them. Some of my sexcapades while not as frequent as theirs, did happen. I have never been able to fit stilettos (I have big feet), have never been the size that designers design for, and have always lived on a non-profit salary, yet I enjoyed the movie and the fashion just I loved The Devil Wears Prada. It's a movie, a fantasy, an escape. When I want realism, I watch documentaries and the news (which I do frequently). Most of us who are independent thinkers, extract from movies and books and other media that which we want and which fits in with our world view. I wouldn't give this or any other movie, more power than it deserves. As a black woman reared on Disney tales, fairy tales and folk tales, I learned early that my particular beauty didn’t fit that standard. As much as I enjoyed Cinderella, I also really identified with Jo of Little Women and Anne Shirley in Anne of the Green Gables. I strongly identified with John-boy of The Waltons.

I enjoyed Sex and the City the series and enjoyed the movie because it gave me a little more of them. Some of my sexcapades while not as frequent as theirs, did happen. I have never been able to fit stilettos (I have big feet), have never been the size that designers design for, and have always lived on a non-profit salary, yet I enjoyed the movie and the fashion just I loved The Devil Wears Prada.

It’s a movie, a fantasy, an escape. When I want realism, I watch documentaries and the news (which I do frequently). Most of us who are independent thinkers, extract from movies and books and other media that which we want and which fits in with our world view.

I wouldn’t give this or any other movie, more power than it deserves.

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By: Karen http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Karen Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:20:13 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-106 Incredibly well put, Ms. Meta. I grew up as a BAP - Black American Princess. I've been in exile since I hit adulthood and realized that Prince Charming was dead and the palace was just a facade. I can laugh about it now but as I look back, it took years before I accepted that the princess lifestyle was a fairy tale bunch of crap. Oddly, it seems like that for the few real princesses in the world. They never seem to be too happy. Now I watch as a new generation of princesses emerge--my 4 year old niece, the "Peanut" and her buddies. I think though that the princess Mommies are preparing their daughters for a life where Princess Charming can take care of herself and whatever life throws at her. And the tale continues to unfold... Karen Incredibly well put, Ms. Meta. I grew up as a BAP – Black American Princess. I’ve been in exile since I hit adulthood and realized that Prince Charming was dead and the palace was just a facade. I can laugh about it now but as I look back, it took years before I accepted that the princess lifestyle was a fairy tale bunch of crap. Oddly, it seems like that for the few real princesses in the world. They never seem to be too happy.

Now I watch as a new generation of princesses emerge–my 4 year old niece, the “Peanut” and her buddies. I think though that the princess Mommies are preparing their daughters for a life where Princess Charming can take care of herself and whatever life throws at her. And the tale continues to unfold…

Karen

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By: MidlifeSlices™ http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-100 MidlifeSlices™ Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:11:00 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-100 Everyone has made good points here but I have to agree that we've got to be the ones who stop the fairy tale ending theory so our "princesses" aren't shell shocked when it doesn't happen. No wonder we have the so-called millennial generation (roughly late teens to early 30s are part of the so-called millennial generation) who think it's "all about me" and sit around asking "what can you do for ME?" I saw the movie version of SATC and it seemed the only one of the four who didn't grow up was Samantha and I wondered why that was so until I realized she's actually living the "cougaress" life for real with her twenty something year old boy toy. Go figure. If you want to watch something even more pitiful, try the television "reality" show....The Real Housewives of NYC". When I've watched this show, I've wondered if these women watch themselves and see what I see. Pitifully insecure women whose entire life is consumed with keeping up their social status, appearance, and their bodies.....at whatever costs. I wonder if they think I want to be them? If so, then let me answer that question here and now......NO NO NO NO....and Hell NO I wouldn't want your so called life for a zillion dollars. I'll keep my hail damaged thighs AND my facial wrinkles, thank you very much. Everyone has made good points here but I have to agree that we’ve got to be the ones who stop the fairy tale ending theory so our “princesses” aren’t shell shocked when it doesn’t happen. No wonder we have the so-called millennial generation (roughly late teens to early 30s are part of the so-called millennial generation) who think it’s “all about me” and sit around asking “what can you do for ME?”

I saw the movie version of SATC and it seemed the only one of the four who didn’t grow up was Samantha and I wondered why that was so until I realized she’s actually living the “cougaress” life for real with her twenty something year old boy toy. Go figure.

If you want to watch something even more pitiful, try the television “reality” show….The Real Housewives of NYC”. When I’ve watched this show, I’ve wondered if these women watch themselves and see what I see. Pitifully insecure women whose entire life is consumed with keeping up their social status, appearance, and their bodies…..at whatever costs. I wonder if they think I want to be them? If so, then let me answer that question here and now……NO NO NO NO….and Hell NO I wouldn’t want your so called life for a zillion dollars. I’ll keep my hail damaged thighs AND my facial wrinkles, thank you very much.

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By: msmeta http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-99 msmeta Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:36:48 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-99 And I'll repeat my response back to her! Good points, Duchess. My concern is still that many of my generation — and subsequent generations — have swallowed the princess myths whole, without learning the lessons of caution and clear sightedness that were required of the women in the stories. I see too many young girls flinging themselves into marriages with men who needed a hard second look. The weddings may have been a fairy tale, but the marriages weren’t, and there were plenty of signs along the way to indicate that those Prince Charmings were anything but. And being good and true isn’t always rewarded, more’s the pity. It is wonderful that women of all ages have so many more options. But Samantha still makes me squirm. Thanks again. And I’ll repeat my response back to her!
Good points, Duchess. My concern is still that many of my generation — and subsequent generations — have swallowed the princess myths whole, without learning the lessons of caution and clear sightedness that were required of the women in the stories. I see too many young girls flinging themselves into marriages with men who needed a hard second look. The weddings may have been a fairy tale, but the marriages weren’t, and there were plenty of signs along the way to indicate that those Prince Charmings were anything but. And being good and true isn’t always rewarded, more’s the pity. It is wonderful that women of all ages have so many more options. But Samantha still makes me squirm.
Thanks again.

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By: Duchess http://midlifebloggers.com/2008/06/11/sex-and-the-city-does-it-work-as-a-midlife-tale/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Duchess Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:10:41 +0000 http://midlifebloggers.com/?p=30#comment-98 Well, I am going to repeat what I wrote on Ms Meta's blog when this post was first published, because I stand by my remarks: "Come on, Ms Meta, lighten up! Disney didn’t invent the fairy tales or the princess promises. Their origins are deep in the folk culture of just about every society and, on the whole, are about how Good - though set about by demons - triumphs over Evil. Good is indeed often personified by the beautiful maiden whose virtue, faith, steadfastness (sometimes even cunning) is rewarded. Surely you aren’t suggesting we should raise our daughters without fairy tales? Or without the hundreds of years of literature where fair maid wins the day? Or that it is wrong for us to enjoy these (or indeed a fantasy movie – if that’s what SATC is – I haven’t seen it) with or without our daughters? I think we can watch fairy tale movies (including the sex) and still warn our teenagers about AIDs, and we can give our daughters and grand daughters princess dolls while teaching them, by the way we lead our lives, by our mistakes as well as by our successes, that they have choices, that choices have consequences, that in real life the good guys don’t always win but it’s always worth the try. And yes, that beauty is only skin deep. Or, as my mother used to say, Pretty is as pretty does. But, damnit, yes, in a way 60 is the new 40, and I don’t think that has to mean anything about planning surgery or being uncomfortable the age you are – it’s the opposite! You can get older and not be a write off. There was a time when unmarried women of 25 were old maids. When women of 40 didn’t have first babies at forty, when nobody changed careers or went back to school at 50, and fit, healthy people were forced to retire at 60 or 65 whether they wanted to or not. Now, that’s all strayed pretty far from the movie, but you’ve got to admit that while Samantha may not exactly be an example to us all, she’s pretty impressive – for her age :-)" Well, I am going to repeat what I wrote on Ms Meta’s blog when this post was first published, because I stand by my remarks:

“Come on, Ms Meta, lighten up!

Disney didn’t invent the fairy tales or the princess promises. Their origins are deep in the folk culture of just about every society and, on the whole, are about how Good – though set about by demons – triumphs over Evil. Good is indeed often personified by the beautiful maiden whose virtue, faith, steadfastness (sometimes even cunning) is rewarded.

Surely you aren’t suggesting we should raise our daughters without fairy tales? Or without the hundreds of years of literature where fair maid wins the day? Or that it is wrong for us to enjoy these (or indeed a fantasy movie – if that’s what SATC is – I haven’t seen it) with or without our daughters?

I think we can watch fairy tale movies (including the sex) and still warn our teenagers about AIDs, and we can give our daughters and grand daughters princess dolls while teaching them, by the way we lead our lives, by our mistakes as well as by our successes, that they have choices, that choices have consequences, that in real life the good guys don’t always win but it’s always worth the try. And yes, that beauty is only skin deep. Or, as my mother used to say, Pretty is as pretty does.

But, damnit, yes, in a way 60 is the new 40, and I don’t think that has to mean anything about planning surgery or being uncomfortable the age you are – it’s the opposite! You can get older and not be a write off. There was a time when unmarried women of 25 were old maids. When women of 40 didn’t have first babies at forty, when nobody changed careers or went back to school at 50, and fit, healthy people were forced to retire at 60 or 65 whether they wanted to or not.

Now, that’s all strayed pretty far from the movie, but you’ve got to admit that while Samantha may not exactly be an example to us all, she’s pretty impressive – for her age :-)

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